It is currently Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:57 am

All times are UTC




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 
 Undertaker: World Champion 
Author Message
"The Blueprint"
"The Blueprint"
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:18 am
Posts: 7838
Location: Antigo, Wisconsin USA
Post Undertaker: World Champion
At Hell in a Cell the Undertaker beat CM Punk to become the new World Heavyweight Championship in a match where he buried the fucking shit out of CM Punk, I don't see the point in doing that to tell ya the truth! CM Punk should have won somehow and have kept his reign going on longer.

_________________
POTM June 2010, February and July 2008, POTY 2008
Sery Slice - 6-5-1
2009-010 NFL Pick Ems' Winner
Loves TNA.
Image


Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:29 am
Profile E-mail
Last Man Standing
Last Man Standing
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:55 pm
Posts: 6272
Location: Birmingham
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
I hate the idea of people saying Punk getting buried in the Cell. It's HELL IN A CELL against UNDERTAKER. The story of the match is supposed to have Punk be totally overwhelmed by the Undertaker in what is the Undertaker's 'domain'. What did you guys expect? A Brock Lesnar like perfomance? Pfft, yeah right.

I like the the way the Punk/Taker match went. Undertaker looked strong in the cell and that's how it should be. Storyline wise, Punk will know he will need to step up in order to take his title back and after all, it is still technically 1-1 with the two of them and Punk will get his title back at Survivor Series, this is just a way of extending the feud. Sure it makes the title a hot potato which I don't like but in this case, it's god because it makes the feud more interesting.

_________________
Image

Most Improved Poster Slammy Winner (2009)
POTM (October 2009, May 2010)
WWE PPV Prediction Champion (2008)


Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:07 am
Profile E-mail
4CW Head Booker
4CW Head Booker
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:22 pm
Posts: 7918
Location: UK
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
SPECIAL 1 wrote:
I hate the idea of people saying Punk getting buried in the Cell. It's HELL IN A CELL against UNDERTAKER. The story of the match is supposed to have Punk be totally overwhelmed by the Undertaker in what is the Undertaker's 'domain'. What did you guys expect? A Brock Lesnar like perfomance? Pfft, yeah right.

I like the the way the Punk/Taker match went. Undertaker looked strong in the cell and that's how it should be. Storyline wise, Punk will know he will need to step up in order to take his title back and after all, it is still technically 1-1 with the two of them and Punk will get his title back at Survivor Series, this is just a way of extending the feud. Sure it makes the title a hot potato which I don't like but in this case, it's god because it makes the feud more interesting.


1) You don't "continue" a feud after Hell In A Cell. That's not how it's supposed to work. The cell is supposed to end feuds. If they have a singles match after this, it won't make any sense. They've reached a certain level of feuding that having a regular match after a Hell In A Cell is a bad idea.

2) There's a difference between losing to someone and getting squashed by someone. Whether its in a cell or a cage or an elimination chamber, CM Punk can fight Undertaker as we've seen it happen. We've seen Punk hold his own agains Undertaker and whether he wins or loses the match, he should at least put up a fight. You don't job a world champion out just because he's fighting Undertaker in his 'domain' it's that kind of retarded booking that would make you a hated booker.

_________________
BPN: ted didn't win last night, but he fucked maryse, which means he is happy
1-Time POTM Winner (Mar 2010)
7-Time POTM Runner Up (2009 [Apr, May, Jul, Sept, Oct] 2010 [Jan, Feb]).
Longest Reigning 4CW Custom Cup Champion Ever.

Image


Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:25 pm
Profile E-mail
Senior Forum Administrator
Senior Forum Administrator
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:53 am
Posts: 9268
Location: England, UK Original Join Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
Rhysus wrote:
1) You don't "continue" a feud after Hell In A Cell. That's not how it's supposed to work.

Which is exactly why the gimmicked PPVs suck and ruin everything.

Rhysus wrote:
The cell is supposed to end feuds. If they have a singles match after this, it won't make any sense. They've reached a certain level of feuding that having a regular match after a Hell In A Cell is a bad idea.

It will make about as little sense as the Cena/Orton ironman. Again, the HIAC PPV was either badly timed or just a bad idea, because both of their world title feuds have to go on for at least one more match. What youre saying is how it should be, and how it was until last year, but now the HIAC isnt the big finale it used to be.

WWE is in desperate need of new stars, and Punk was getting over as one with great potential. He was easily one of the top three heels in the whole company. Win or lose, feuding with Undertaker so early into his 'main event career' was a bad idea. Mysterio would have worked, Matt Hardy would have worked, if he'd been around Edge would have been a good choice too. Undertaker was never going to put him over as a threat. In two matches Punk has a screwjob win and a 10 minute squash. As much as Id usually want a rubber match, he'll have to lose and that would be the final nail in his coffin...possibly literally. He'll need a complete rebuild.

_________________
"A smooth, shaven body is sexually attractive to the opposite sex." - 'Dashing' Cody Rhodes
Image
Hi! I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your signature to help me spread.


Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:51 pm
Profile E-mail
Last Man Standing
Last Man Standing
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:55 pm
Posts: 6272
Location: Birmingham
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
Quote:
1) You don't "continue" a feud after Hell In A Cell. That's not how it's supposed to work. The cell is supposed to end feuds. If they have a singles match after this, it won't make any sense. They've reached a certain level of feuding that having a regular match after a Hell In A Cell is a bad idea.


World Title feuds also don't start with a submission match but this one did so the traditional rules have already been broken it seems. This feud has been full of confusing stuff, most notably the matches. I think having a plain singles match, no stupid endings, no dodgy stipulations; just the two of them going at it will produce something special I feel.

Quote:
2) There's a difference between losing to someone and getting squashed by someone. Whether its in a cell or a cage or an elimination chamber, CM Punk can fight Undertaker as we've seen it happen. We've seen Punk hold his own agains Undertaker and whether he wins or loses the match, he should at least put up a fight. You don't job a world champion out just because he's fighting Undertaker in his 'domain' it's that kind of retarded booking that would make you a hated booker.


Undertaker since his deadman gimmick returned, has been protected in these kind of stipulations to the moon. Against Orton, he dominated. Against Batista, he dominated and only lost because of Edge's interference. Against Edge... I'm guesing you get the picture now. Undertaker won't look bad in the cell nowadays. The whole Punk losing in the cell has been exaggerated beyond belief because eryone loves Punk around here.

Take a look at the match without the 'Punk love' and you will see it's a good decision by WWE to have Punk lose. He was overwhelmed by the whole thing, he ws buried. Compare it to a UFC fight for example. Everyone saw Lesnar's first fight against Mir. Brock never got buried by losing to Mir in 1 min 30 seconds, Lenar was just overwhelmed by the whole situation of it being a big fight, his debut and him also facing a top quality opponent on top form that night it seems. Same here. Just like Lesnar came back and got a decisive win over Mir, I think Punk will be booked like that too... hopefully.

_________________
Image

Most Improved Poster Slammy Winner (2009)
POTM (October 2009, May 2010)
WWE PPV Prediction Champion (2008)


Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:04 pm
Profile E-mail
4CW Head Booker
4CW Head Booker
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:22 pm
Posts: 7918
Location: UK
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
I never said Punk wouldn't lose. I didn't MIND him losing. I just didn't like how he got squashed. Nevertheless, I need to make a point of something [chux] said.

Why would he have to be "rebuilt", [chux]? Losing a feud doesn't make someone useless. Alright, I don't want him to be squashed by Undertaker, but if he does, he'll get over it. He'll still be CM Punk, main eventer of SmackDown! and one of the fasted rising stars in the WWE. He'll just have 'lost to Undertaker' on his list of accomplishments which will make him just like any other legend of the buisness who has lost to Undertaker.

It's not that big a deal, in that it won't ruin his push or his career.

_________________
BPN: ted didn't win last night, but he fucked maryse, which means he is happy
1-Time POTM Winner (Mar 2010)
7-Time POTM Runner Up (2009 [Apr, May, Jul, Sept, Oct] 2010 [Jan, Feb]).
Longest Reigning 4CW Custom Cup Champion Ever.

Image


Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:08 pm
Profile E-mail
Senior Forum Administrator
Senior Forum Administrator
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:53 am
Posts: 9268
Location: England, UK Original Join Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
Of course it will. He can and most likely will bounce back, but it severely cuts him off at the knees.

He was just getting over as the face of SmackDown and one of the only new stars this side of 2003, and as soon as he comes out on top of his title-winning feud with Jeff Hardy he runs into a brick wall. He wasnt there yet, he hadnt been made and secured as a top level guy before he took one heavy loss in the cell and a weakening win at Breaking Point. He actually came out of that submission match looking worse than he would have if he'd been gogoplata-ed for the loss. And then when it did come down to a simple, no-nonsense finish, he was tossed aside within 10 minutes.

Ive seen enough to know that he's not headed back to ECW for the rest of his career, in fact he'll probably be back up and main eventing ready for Bragging Rights, but his stock has just taken a massive hit after skyrocketing coming out of SummerSlam.

Basically there are very few legit main eventers going around right now, especially on SmackDown. A lot of WWE's biggest credible names are in tags - DX, Jeri-Show, Batista and Mysterio - leaving Punk as the right guy in the right place at the right time. He lucked himself into a huge opportunity and was making the most of it, but now he looks like he can just about scrape by Jeff Hardy, but falls short when it comes to Undertaker. Of course, losing to Undertaker is nothing to be ashamed of, but not even being able to compete without a screwjob involving the referee, GM and chairman of the company...he didnt exactly end up looking like Shawn Michaels there.

Thats the problem I have with a lot of WWE's heels. They cant seem to win without using dodgy GMs or run ins or some other cheating. Look at Randy Orton. Alright he has his boys as backup, but while theyre busy he has no problem getting the job done on his own. He might try to get counted out when he knows he cant win, but he'll always meet the challenge head on first. And look, he got Cena in a cell, no run ins, no DQs, no count outs, no screwjobs, and he won. He cleanly won it.

Rhodes and DiBiase are learning from a great leader there, they might have known they couldnt beat DX in a regular cell match, so they locked Triple H out. They might not be better, but at least they know that and come up with another way to win. But Punk, when he's backed into the corner, he gets beaten like a little girl. Wait, that came out wrong. Its true though. He lost the submission match, then retained without actually winning, then lost again on Sunday. He's going to take a bit of rebuilding to look at all credible on his own.

_________________
"A smooth, shaven body is sexually attractive to the opposite sex." - 'Dashing' Cody Rhodes
Image
Hi! I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your signature to help me spread.


Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:15 pm
Profile E-mail
Last Man Standing
Last Man Standing
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:55 pm
Posts: 6272
Location: Birmingham
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
The whole situation, like I said earlier, is being exaggerated. It is by no means the end of the world for Punk, it just shows to us and storline wise that Punk may have beaten Jeff Hardy and got rid of him but is facing another level of opponent.

He won't win at Bragging Rights but most likely get the win and the title at Survivor Series. I hope they do a angle where he uses the Bragging Rights match to scout The Undertaker, it would be cool and also a bit fresh of an idea to co-operate into the feud.

_________________
Image

Most Improved Poster Slammy Winner (2009)
POTM (October 2009, May 2010)
WWE PPV Prediction Champion (2008)


Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:15 pm
Profile E-mail
WrestleMania Main Eventer
WrestleMania Main Eventer
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:02 pm
Posts: 2351
Location: Plymouth, England
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
Gotta agree with Chux. Punk wasn't exactly booked to be better than Hardy, they were pretty much equal, Punk just won the match that mattered resulting in Hardy leaving. Then losing like he did and the way the submission match was booked he doesn't come out looking like a main eventer which is what he was building towards.

I was far too soon to book Taker into a feud with Punk. He should have done something else first and let Punk defend his title in another feud that would make him feel more like a title holder or contender if he lost. The way Taker dominated him though makes it seem like Punk doesn't stand a chance, making him look weak and not a creditable contender for the belt.

Takers title booking is similar to Cena title booking though. I remember when Edge was in his feud with Cena and Cena was constantly booked to look far greater than Edge even when Edge was champion and that's not good booking. Throwing Punk into two stipulation matches with Taker straight after winning the belt is bad booking. No one has or will submit Taker as the Deadman so a submission match was a poor choice and everyone knew that there was no way Punk would go over in HIAC. If they had waited until these stipulation ppv's were over and we had a run of normal ppv's (there's only about 4 stipulation ones out of 13ish right?) then it would have been fine and Punk could have come out looking a lot better.

_________________
Image


Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:29 pm
Profile E-mail
Senior Forum Administrator
Senior Forum Administrator
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:53 am
Posts: 9268
Location: England, UK Original Join Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
benjawi. wrote:
No one has or will submit Taker as the Deadman

Kurt Angle did! :P

benjawi. wrote:
(there's only about 4 stipulation [PPVs] out of 13ish right?)

No Way Out, Extreme Rules, Breaking Point, Hell In A Cell, TLC. So five not counting the Royal Rumble or the "themed" Night Of Champions and Bragging Rights.

_________________
"A smooth, shaven body is sexually attractive to the opposite sex." - 'Dashing' Cody Rhodes
Image
Hi! I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your signature to help me spread.


Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:42 pm
Profile E-mail
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:30 pm
Posts: 1166
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
First of all, I didn't see HIAC. But if they actually want some new stars to replace their rapidly aging/frequently injured main event players, they're going to have to make it seem like these new stars are on the same level. Yes, they shouldn't hotshot them to the that level, but they are going to have to actually build them up to it. If they didn't feel like Punk's character should compete with the Undertaker on an equal level then they shouldn't have had them fight. Punk looked like the man after his feud with Hardy. He really need some more time and wins before he got stuck with Undertaker though if they didn't have confidence in him. Especially not with the stupid themed ppvs forcing their hand as well.

_________________
Image
I feel as if Charizard's coolness is inversely proportional to its usefulness.


Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:53 pm
Profile E-mail
Pimpin' Ain't Easy
Pimpin' Ain't Easy
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:09 am
Posts: 3885
Location: Spamaway, WA
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
Undertaker will lose the title because Champs have to do house shows and Undertaker is on limit schedule like HBK and only does Tapings and TV and PPV. That what the rule is for WWE that all champs have to do house shows.

_________________
Image

Hulk only cares about one person in wrestling and that himself and he will not put anyone over so RIP TNA.


Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:56 am
Profile E-mail
Senior Forum Administrator
Senior Forum Administrator
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:53 am
Posts: 9268
Location: England, UK Original Join Date: Tue Dec 23, 2003
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
Taker does house shows. He always has.

_________________
"A smooth, shaven body is sexually attractive to the opposite sex." - 'Dashing' Cody Rhodes
Image
Hi! I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your signature to help me spread.


Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:59 pm
Profile E-mail
Jobber
Jobber

Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:04 am
Posts: 3
Post Re: Undertaker: World Champion
Undertaker is a great wrestler. Undertaker competed in 20 minutes + matches on pay-per-view Sunday night, while retaining the Championship Batista Last Man Standing match. Since the Undertaker entered the WWE in 1990 he has held the World Title five times, however his title reigns were for only a short period of time. During these title reigns, other super stars had their particular era going on.

_________________
micro sd card


Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:24 am
Profile E-mail
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group.
Designed by Rob Green for 4w-wrestling/4w.